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- Massaging various applications programs and their setups to work under DesqView
- seems to take a bit of effort, but all the popular programs discussed by the
- members eventually proved susceptible of adaptation. The particular programs
- discussed are preceded by the "@*" symbols.
-
-
- @* DBASE III
-
- Fm: Steve Kalman 75136,360
- To: ALL
-
- Maybe I need a vacation...I *KNOW* I had this working before....
-
- When I run db3 under DV and I write a screen with @SAY..@get I cannot clear the
- screen using the dbase command CLEAR. If I subsequently issue some commands
- from the dot prompt, they will be cleared via the clear command; and if they're
- long lines, they'll overwrite the @say'ed stuff. As a test, I started with a
- clear screen, then issued @10,10 say 'this is a test' then CLEAR ...NG, the
- line was still there. WHen I went to the DV menu and switched to another
- partition and back, it was gone (but other command line stuff was there).
- This is actually a problem, because if I leave a menu up, then switch to
- another area, then switch back, the menu is gone, but the cursor is still in
- the input field!
-
- Further testing reveals that DEVICE=ANSI.SYS in CONFIG.SYS has no effect.
-
- My options (as revealed in Change Program) are all ON except for
- Writes Directly to Screen
- Runs only in Foreground
- Runs from Floppy
-
- I tried to change the first one and it got rid of the CLEAR problem, but then
- every time db3 wrote to the screen in the BG, it showed up on the active FG
- screen, and if I did a list in BG it would scroll the active FG screen right
- off!
-
- I've also tried to change the startup command; is does not matter whether I use
- d3-load.com or not.
-
- And, as I said in the beginning, I *KNOW* I had it working before, but I cannot
- figure which change fouled things up, or what to do to fix it.
-
-
- Fm: Steve Kalman 75136,360
- To: ALL
-
- For those of you using dv and dbase III + I've found an inconsistency between
- the old product and the new one. db3+ *REQUIRES* that the option "Writes
- Directly to screen" be ON (selected). Failure to do so inevitably leads to the
- BOS.
-
- The problem that this causes is that any screen output done by db3 will appear
- no matter what window you're working in, which can be distracting. It is
- possible to turn the screen off in db3, tho (set console off), but this removes
- all "capture" of normal screen messages.
-
- For "classic" background tasks (e.g., compute bound jobs, or long reports),
- this might be OK, but for the type of job that displays a menu of smaller
- reports that you want to select a subset of, then reprogramming is in order.
-
-
- Fm: Ben Klausner 70340,374
- To: Steve Kalman 75136,360 (X)
-
- Doesn't DB3 include a .PIF file that would solve that? Also, I would think that
- DV's DB3-LOAD.COM would create an appropriate setup. Don't use DB3 though, so
- I'm just guessing.
-
-
- Fm: Steve Kalman 75136,360
- To: Ben Klausner 70340,374
-
- The db3 PIF file does not work with db3 plus. Neither does the load.com help.
- The message that I posted was after a lot of trial and error and a couple of
- calls to Quarterdeck (GA Saxer was a big help, as usual).
-
-
- Fm: Steve Kalman 75136,360
- To: Paul Ferrara 70075,252 (X)
-
- To make a long story short(er), I found that if I set Jump Scroll to Yes, then
- the db3 clear command does not work, and that @say commands will write to the
- screen, even if db3 is in the BG. However, when I set it to NO, then db3 is
- well behaved.
-
- One problem still exists, tho. When I write a menu with @say's and then switch
- to another screen for a while, when I switch back the menu text is gone, but
- the cursor is still on the @get answer field.
-
-
- @* WORDPERFECT
-
- Fm: Michael Rothman 74405,1313
- To: Howard A. Cohen 72416,710
-
- A fast report on Word Perfect 4.1 running under DESQview 1.2... it works great
- on my pc-at! In fact, its open now in a small window, as I write this using
- ato to upload. I've got three windows open actually, a 465k dos window, this
- window that is taking about 160k for ato, and a word perfect window weighing in
- at 200k. As you can tell, i'm doing all this with a rampage-at board in the
- at. Questions?
-
-
- @* THINKTANK
-
- Fm: Jim Butler 74766,1460
- To: ALL
-
- Has anyone successfully loaded Thinktank in a DV window? It takes up ALL my
- expanded memory ... As the first program, nothing else will load. If I load
- the Memory Size program first, it shows that TT is taking up almost 3.5 megs
- of expanded on the Rampage AT! No wonder when it is loaded near the end of the
- windows, the insufficient windows show.
-
- I am not experienced with TT, but I saw no "switch" in the manual to limit the
- memory taken up by the program. Any ideas?
-
-
- Fm: Michael Rothman 74405,1313
- To: Jim Butler 74766,1460
-
- There is something I don't understand here. I have thinktank ver 2.0
- (unprotected) and have it loaded right now under DESQview. The other programs
- currently running are Window1:turbo lightning plus ato412c; Window2: pc-host;
- Window3: Thinktank 2.0. All seems to be working just fine.
-
- Thinktank does not, so far as I know, access any extended or expanded memory.
- Could you be thinking of Ready! If so, I'm still puzzled, because, as a test,
- I've just also loaded Ready! in Window4, and all went smoothly. The Ready!
- I've loaded is 1.0c and it loads under dv as if it is loading into standard
- memory, although in this case it is actually in expanded memory thanks to DV.
- All in all, I can't see where the problem may be, but all is working as I would
- hope on this system.
-
-
- Fm: Jim Butler 74766,1460
- To: Michael Rothman 74405,1313
-
- There must be multiple versions of Think Tank then, because the "new"
- unprotected version sent out just a week ago gobbles up all available memory
- under Desqview. For some reason, the DV window size does *not* limit it. If
- loaded first, all other programs are unable to load. The MS screen shows 0
- memory available! If loaded last, the other programs are ok, but TT stills
- takes the memory down to 0. This seems a little rude, don't you think? The
- documentation said nothing about using expanded or extended memory, and the
- program file is dated August 1985 sometime ...
-
-
- Fm: Michael Rothman 74405,1313
- To: Jim Butler 74766,1460 (X)
-
- On the problem of the new unprotected version of ThinkTank rudely taking all
- available high memory when loaded under DV... yes, that would be a bummer!
- There you have two of my favorite programs not getting along... something will
- have to be done.
-
- The old version 2.0 of ThinkTank, protected but busted, works fine in DV. Are
- there other reasons to switch to the new version? What is the version number
- of the new version, and do we know what the differences are between it and 2.0?
- As I recall a comment from Dave Winer, the major difference is the elimination
- of the copy protection.
-
-
- @* READY!
-
- Fm: Gary Saxer (Quarterdeck) 73206,564
- To: Earle Robinson 70135,141
-
- Ready! seems to work just fine in a DV window.
-
-
- Fm: Steve Kalman 75136,360
- To: Dave Winer 76244,120 (X)
-
- Do you know if Ready will (or won't) work under DV? I'm one of those people
- who develops projects via Outlining (I use FW II, mostly), but I cannot get it
- to work well under DV so I'm considering a switch to Ready (besides, Paul
- Ferrara won't leave me alone until I switch!). If it works, I'll buy it
- (actually, several, once I get it working under DV on the net, I'll wnat to
- distribute it to about 6 players, possibly more).
-
-
- Fm: Dave Winer (LVT) 76244,120
- To: Steve Kalman 75136,360 (X)
-
- Yes, Ready! works with Desqview - this is how you do it: create a partition for
- Ready, and from its DOS command prompt, type READY (return). Then press ctrl-5
- to activate Ready!. From then on, use DV's context-switching commands to
- activate R!, don't use ctrl-5 to activate and deactivate. It has been tested
- by both companies (us and Quarterdeck) and it works.
-
-
- @* LOTUS 1-2-3
-
- Fm: Gary Saxer (Quarterdeck) 73206,564
- To: doug carson 76044,2627 (X)
-
- I'm sorry I missed your original message. Let me tell you what I know. You
- can both store data in expanded memory as well as run programs in it with
- DESQview and the AST RAMpage card. You can even run several copies of 1-2-3
- each of which uses expanded memory, and still be able to switch between them
- (and others) instantly. Please note that even version 1A can run in expanded
- memory in DESQview. Please leave an EASY message for me if you need more
- information.